Comments on: Embryonic Hate Research

by: Art

Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:39:46 +0000

I’m not insulting you for disagreeing with me. *I* feel insulted because you never seem to grasp my point. You are my friend, but I couldn’t care less if you agree with me or not.

How would you feel if you’re written almost 55,000 words, none of them being “ambiguous” and yet have me come back and say “You haven’t clearly defined yourself.”

I imagine it would piss you off too.

You are one of my best buddies, but when I think you’re being an obstinate bonehead, I’m going to say so. :) Again, not because you disagree with me, but you comment as if you aren’t paying attention to what I’m saying.

by: hotbeefcakedaddy

Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:01:07 +0000

I am not talking semantics or a minimalist war. I’m talking specific concrete military objectives. Unleash hell or wipe out militant islamists is only plausible in this situation if we are trying to conquer the region or wipe it out. Shiites and Sunnis are fighting each other and the islamists that are there don’t wear armbands. We’re currently trying to change the behavior of people who don’t like the idea of being made to do it.

“Victory will be achieved when the people of iraq can secure themselves with police, and they can beat back invading forces with their military. These kinds of things are possible, we’re just not trying hard enough on our end to facilitate it.”

Numerous officers have written about the difficulty achieving this. I doubt these guys are dragging their feet, they want to go home after all. But it is difficult to inspire a sense of duty or loyalty to someone who does not know WHO to be loyal to. A lot of Iraqis seem to be waiting to see who ends up on top after the americans have gone. Then they will decide who to follow.

Our military is the best in the world at what they do. But not this. Our soldiers can destroy and rebuild a neighborhood but it can’t make good neighbors out of people who want to fight each other. Nobody like to be told by an outsider what to do how to live. We wouldn’t respond well to it either, even IF the outsider knew best.

I can not believe you would insult and vilify me because I disagree with you.

by: Lord Vincent

Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:38:30 +0000

Hmm… Let me quote my favorite book here:

Mar 9:42 It will be terrible for people who cause even one of my little followers to sin. Those people would be better off thrown into the ocean with a heavy stone tied around their necks.

Ok, some of your Christian-haters might argue that these Islamic Children don’t believe in Christ, and that’s exactly the point. Thanks to the endeavors of these hate-mongers, they never had a chance. They introduce these kids to a dead God, teach them to hate, and plaster them on TV, the internet, the newspapers, wherever hate-propaganda can be shown.

And they will burn in hell for it. That is, unless they repent, which we can all agree, is not terribly likely.

by: Art

Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:26:47 +0000

Semantics aren’t the issue. I just know what needs to be done, and I don’t care how. Militant Islamists need to be exterminated. Period. wipe them off the face of the earth.

fighting minimalist wars doesnt work, and thats why we’re still there. since you ride the short bus, let me spell it out for you.

Step 1: secure the borders. REALLY.
Step 2: Flood the region with allied troops and unleash hell. If they hide in Mosques, blow up the mosques. we’re the kind of nation who rebuilds everything anyway.

Victory will be achieved when the people of iraq can secure themselves with police, and they can beat back invading forces with their military. These kinds of things are possible, we’re just not trying hard enough on our end to facilitate it.

You just don’t see it as possible because people who think like you have very little faith in humanity.

This is the last time I’m going to address this with you.

by: Hotbeefcakedaddy

Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:27:17 +0000

When I ask you to define victory, I’m asking you to define victory in our current situation in Iraq. How will the military know,what metrics for military victory are even being used. I did say I hadn’t and still haven’t seen the video and I will never deny being arrogant:)

by: Woolfey

Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:50:56 +0000

I see these kids a lot where My daughter lives… she’s in subsidized housing in Deval Patrick’s Massachusetts. The clothes she is wearing are standard issue at most of the targets and Wal-Marts up here . Standard hip hop roundtable stuff .. And while pushing my grand daughter on the swings . I regularly see these little kids acting like a line out of a Sublime song. It’s disturbing..
The kids parents??? Taxpayers. In the first school my kids went to I regularly got accosted by this sort of crap. I can still remember my older son bringing home a sheet of paper that a teacher was using for CURRICULUM that was printed by the Sainted Sara Brady’s Pogrom. He got into all sorts of trouble with that teacher, because it wasn’t what SHE was supposed to be doing and she got called on the carpet for it. That incident probably caused her career to soar. I was able to get my kids into an actual school ( thanks to the regional school system) after that incident and they did fairly well (two of them sporadically on the honor roll and the third got a scholarship) . BUT I could see this “film” as a project that any of the original school’s teachers would have been proud to have their kids be involved with.
if you are my age (54) you will remember people acting like this during high school. I’d love to have a dollar for every time I had to hear about our soldiers in vietnam being only the “wiseguys” for a corrupt administration.. Thankfully for me I had a social studies teacher who was a nam vet. So the folks in my class got to hear a more balanced version of the world…
The other thing you might remember is a lot of people practicing drug abuse… these stoned ponies , a lot of Whom got a free pass in society because they worked for companies Like Digital Computers or Wang labs and fellated their way to good positions and great paychecks… are the grand parents of societal flotsam like this poor little girl … and Support “her” views Wholeheartedly… Probably even paid for the video system that that video was made on and support the organization that would promote “her” view..

by: Rizzn

Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:18:35 +0000

art ftw!

and for the record, this video turns my stomache.

by: Art

Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:00:32 +0000

Okay. I’ll settle this right now.

More or less, we have HBCD saying that JL missed the point a bit on this one, and initially she kinda did…but she recovered nicely.

However, it was kind of arrogant for him to point it out when you consider that when I talk about the middle east and I say the path to victory entails wiping out the islamists…yet he persists in asking me to define victory.

I think I pretty much have, over and over again.

So, in the context of this conversation, I would say that HBCD is far ahead on the scorecard of “missing the point”

I know he’s not dense, but he sure acts like it sometimes.

by: JL

Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:10:03 +0000

Mr. HBCD- I have witnessed (live and in person) children such as these. They are products of the parents, of this I do not argue; however, children that are treated or raised as adults often find that they don’t mix well with their age group and end up being self destructive. I have no doubt that she was fed this script, just amazed that she didn’t trip in her delivery. Perhaps its merely creative editing…but she is pretentious none the less.

by: Nighthawk

Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:38:43 +0000

This is worse than those PETA videos. Someone obviously has a hard-on for bashing Bill, but that’s nothing new. Using a child to spew this garbage is an utterly low-class move. It’s ignorant beyond the scope of being political, it ventures into a realm of sickness where hate-based zealotry defines reality. And this poor child is caught up in it. I doubt she has much of a clue about anything she said, but as far as the message goes it’s clear to me after seeing it that the words took a backseat to the intent behind them. And that particular intent is as disgusting as any of the non-sensical filth that some people let their minds wallow in.

by: Hotbeefcakedaddy

Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:39:20 +0000

I haven’t yet seen the video because Art put a curse on my work computer,but JL,….dude or dudette, your calling an 8 year old pretentious. You also express surprise that she can pronounce the words SHE’S using as if she herself wrote the speech when our esteemed author (may L Ron shine on his head) has already said she probably did not.

by: JL

Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:45:42 +0000

Such a pretentious little beast…I’m amazed that she can even pronounce half the words she’s using. She will be in for a rude awakening when she gets older and no one likes her…leaving her crushed and bulimic and a heroin addict…or knocked up by 14.

by: Lo-Dog

Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:41:42 +0000

What a hateful little Dora.